BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:04:35 PM)
Chucky -- the deal is that Mangino has lost his brain---and he started the wrong quarterback and then he second guesses his calls
ChuckyTheGoat (Oct 12, 2005 9:04:41 PM)
welcome, Ton-man
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:04:43 PM)
assuming yes, what do you think of them?
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:04:57 PM)
You guys have reviews here??
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:05:10 PM)
If anyone has a question for Tony, please send me a pm and I'll let you know when it's your turn.
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:08:06 PM)
Buzz, You've done a great job setting up the reviews. I think 5dimes has 40 poster comments
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:08:32 PM)
Thanks chat-- it has been a fun project--
the_major (Oct 12, 2005 9:08:58 PM)
tony must be on the phone
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:09:04 PM)
First off, I'd like to thank Majorwager for inviting 5Dimes to be a part of their chat, and also thank everyone for logging on to be a part of it
Yzerman#19 (Oct 12, 2005 9:09:05 PM)
Can't believe Buzz hasn't screwed it up
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:10:00 PM)
until after the chat is over, no phone calls for me tonight
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:10:27 PM)
then, anyone who would like to call to discuss anything, i'll be in the office until the games end
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:10:35 PM)
did you see my question about the MW reviews? What do you think of them?
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:10:48 PM)
If anyone has a question for Tony, please send me a pm and I'll let you know when it's your turn.
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:10:55 PM)
buzz is up next
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:11:12 PM)
seems like the posters feel we're doing a fairly good job
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:11:27 PM)
reviews are a fabulous idea
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:12:04 PM)
instead of having to do extensive searches through posts, people can find all the info they need on a book in one place
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:12:49 PM)
I read all the reviews for 5dimes and was very impressed
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:13:23 PM)
buzz, you're up
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:13:29 PM)
Thanks chat
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:14:27 PM)
Tony big fan of your book here, I don't think anybody does a better job with golf betting
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:14:32 PM)
my question is
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:15:33 PM)
next up is irishgambler - If anyone has a question for Tony, please send me a pm and I'll let you know when it's your turn.
Irishgambler (Oct 12, 2005 9:15:37 PM)
Tony..thanx for taking the time...Great reviews on your book so far, keep up the great work..... but as far as neteller payouts go, you process them 24/7 or is it a M-F?? Thank you in advance!!
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:15:47 PM)
have you relied on your own opinion for golf and boxing --typically your offers are so much more unique than other North American books-- are they influenced by the European markets
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:16:16 PM)
oops sorry irish, i meant after buzz
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:16:34 PM)
yes, the European markets play a large role in the our golf offerings
Irishgambler (Oct 12, 2005 9:16:52 PM)
sorry
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:16:57 PM)
few books still offer LPGA and Seniors-- your stuff seems pretty unique
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:17:06 PM)
the term 3balls seems to be a left out word from american sportsbooks
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:17:37 PM)
5dimes is only of the few sportsbooks on this side of the planet that will pair up golfers playing directly against each other on a given day
ChuckyTheGoat (Oct 12, 2005 9:17:54 PM)
3balls sounds like a deformity
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:17:59 PM)
the european markets are also the only place where odds on all golfers can be found
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:18:16 PM)
generally vegas books offer only the top 20-25 golfers in a tournament
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:18:29 PM)
then they throw up a field for the rest of the golfers
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:18:43 PM)
this was done becuase of spacing issues on their boards in the casinos
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:19:05 PM)
since there are no spacing issues on the internet, we have room for all the players
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:19:22 PM)
as well as room to update the odds daily after each round is completely
the_major (Oct 12, 2005 9:19:24 PM)
never thought of that reason tony, good one
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:20:08 PM)
buzz, any follow up golf questions?
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:20:23 PM)
no-- you guys do a great job with the golf, Thanks
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:20:33 PM)
something specific, becuase i could ramble on for way too long about golf
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:20:59 PM)
thanks again, we take great pride is completely covering the sport
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:21:26 PM)
irish, your up
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:21:38 PM)
If anyone has a question for Tony, please send me a pm and I'll let you know when it's your turn.
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:22:38 PM)
Irish was asking about Neteller payouts
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:22:52 PM)
we offer neteller payouts 7 days a week
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:23:14 PM)
unlike some books, there is no limit to the amount you may take out at one time
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:23:47 PM)
Redemptions are processed free of charge once per 30 days if requested on Mondays between 9:00 AM and 1:00 PM EST
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:08 PM)
Hi gang
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:10 PM)
major, your up next
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:12 PM)
Additional redemptions or redemptions not processed in the Monday time frame have $15 transaction fee.
Irishgambler (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:14 PM)
So if we request them in the morning, they hit our account approximately when?
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:14 PM)
hi dg
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:38 PM)
Neteller redemptions are most usually processed within and hour at the most
Irishgambler (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:44 PM)
ok..thanx for the time Tony
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:48 PM)
when a customer requests it, it is done at that time
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:59 PM)
no point in making anyone wait to get their money
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:25:00 PM)
short line guys, if you have a question double click me and let me know
Irishgambler (Oct 12, 2005 9:25:03 PM)
Wow..impressive...Thank you!!!
the_major (Oct 12, 2005 9:25:08 PM)
Tony, it seems that your book is one of the leaders in props. I am aware of the work that goes into setting all the prop lines. What kind of staff do you have handling all the props or do you do it all yourself.
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:25:29 PM)
the staff just continues to grow
the_major (Oct 12, 2005 9:25:41 PM)
a follow up
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:25:44 PM)
i used to do all the football props
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:25:55 PM)
now i have a part in about 25-35% of them
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:26:12 PM)
we have a few managers who specialize in only props
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:26:36 PM)
they know what i'm thinking, and we go over the games daily to make sure we're on the same page with them
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:26:46 PM)
but it is defiantely a group effort
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:27:07 PM)
i can take credit for the hockey intermission lines
the_major (Oct 12, 2005 9:27:07 PM)
do you have a person that monitors all the props regularily for movement and adjusts them and if soo how oftne wold you review all of your props
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:27:09 PM)
that is all me
the_major (Oct 12, 2005 9:27:25 PM)
sorry about the typos
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:27:37 PM)
hockey intermission lines?
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:27:59 PM)
goon, your up next
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:28:01 PM)
i'll get to the hockey intermission in a sec
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:28:04 PM)
as for the props
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:28:06 PM)
we move on action
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:28:09 PM)
Hi Tony... Thanks for stopping by. My question is regarding soccer... I appreciate the variety you guys put up, but why is that you only do -0.5/+0.5 for the smaller/lower leagues instead of real asian handicaps?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:28:13 PM)
once their up, when someone bets, it gets moved
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:28:44 PM)
the linesman and props department is constantly running the entire board of lines to make sure all odds are in line
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:28:53 PM)
and if you get "inspired" from somewhere, can I ask why? maybe I can get higher limits there
the_major (Oct 12, 2005 9:29:00 PM)
thanks tony
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:29:05 PM)
not why but where :)
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:29:53 PM)
goon, are you asking why we only do -1/2/+1/2 and not 3way lines?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:30:08 PM)
-1/2 / +1/2 is a handicap line
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:30:40 PM)
not 3-way but real asian handicaps... maybe your software doesn't allow 1/4 goals and stuff... but say for France 2 you have -0.5/+0.5 but at +160 -200 or something likethat... why not do -0.25 instead
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:30:48 PM)
ahh
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:30:50 PM)
yes
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:31:11 PM)
currently the software does not allow -0.25 goals (also known as E-1/2) lines
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:31:14 PM)
also, why not -1/+1 nd -1.5/1.5 instead of teams at -0.5 -500
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:31:16 PM)
the main problem is with parlays
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:31:26 PM)
we're are a huge parlay book
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:31:46 PM)
and soon as you start offering line that split the money, the parlay combinations become endless
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:32:06 PM)
followup if I may, what kind of split are you looking at straight bets vs parlays if you don't mind me asking with such high parlay volume?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:32:23 PM)
the openbets page on one parlay with 3-4 asian handicaps which do not fall on 1/2 flat would cover more than a few pages
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:33:01 PM)
fair enough...thanks for your answers!
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:33:04 PM)
If you have a question for Tony, please send me a private message and I will put you in the queue
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:33:14 PM)
valleycubs is up
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 9:33:20 PM)
hi tony does your book offer loyalty bonuses or birthday bonuses or such ..... others from whats on your main page thanks. ps whats a 0.25 line in soccer not familiar with it
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:33:20 PM)
if you got rid of our top 5% volume players, our percentage on non-straight wagers would be 20-25%
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:33:42 PM)
our parlay card is second to none, and the parlay players have noticed
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:34:23 PM)
as for the intermission lines, we offer NHL intermission lines on all nationally televised games
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:34:36 PM)
right that now that is only the games on OLN
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:35:16 PM)
when the playoffs come, as we have in the past, we will have offerings on all games at both intermissions and overtime
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:35:38 PM)
birthday bonuses is something we haven't gotten into
the_major (Oct 12, 2005 9:35:52 PM)
LMFAO
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:36:02 PM)
but its something i will definately look into, its just something i had never thought of before
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:36:16 PM)
won't make a difference to the guys born Feb 29th, either way :)
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:36:30 PM)
0.25 line is a split asain line
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:36:58 PM)
say for instance you have a line 0.25 on guatamala vs costa rica tonight
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:37:18 PM)
guatamala was the 0.25 goal favorite
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:37:40 PM)
and you had a line of Guatamala -0.25 -120
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:37:48 PM)
and you wagered 1200 to win 1000
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:38:00 PM)
you wager is split in half on each side of the line quoted
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:38:17 PM)
so you would have 600 to win 500 on Guatamala -1/2 a goal
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:38:34 PM)
and 600 to win 500 on Guatamala with a line of 0
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:38:46 PM)
so your possible outcomes are as follows:
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:39:02 PM)
Guatamala wins, you would win $1000
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:39:04 PM)
if you have a question for 5dimes/Tony, please pm me and I will let you know when it's your turn. Thanks
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:39:13 PM)
Costa Rica wins, you would lose $1200
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:39:34 PM)
if the game ends in a tie, you would lose half of your wager, and tie the second half
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:39:51 PM)
so overall on a tie you would lose $600
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:40:01 PM)
goal increments are not only 0.25
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:40:09 PM)
they may be 0.75 1.25 1.75
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:40:11 PM)
and on up
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 9:40:29 PM)
ok i understand ....... i always wondered what that was when i saw people talking about it
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:40:52 PM)
a nice way to get a line close to a a flat price of -110/-110 on both sides
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:41:20 PM)
otherwise you sometimes get stuck with prices of -160 to -200 on matches
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:41:30 PM)
on the handicap prices
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 9:41:56 PM)
ok thanks
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:42:33 PM)
I asked this same question in the forum... how have the new hockey rules affected the lines? Were you worried about so many huge changes when making the lines?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:42:33 PM)
not a problem at all
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:42:52 PM)
not a lot changed for us
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:43:03 PM)
its like booking playoff hockey on a daily basis
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:43:07 PM)
with one twist
jakethompson (Oct 12, 2005 9:43:14 PM)
.
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:43:16 PM)
the end of the game is virtually a coin toss
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:43:36 PM)
i really don't know how to handicap which teams are better in shootouts
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:43:38 PM)
only time will tell
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:43:44 PM)
and intermission bets.. same thing as a half-time bet? I have never seen that
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:44:10 PM)
we offer 1st-2nd-3rd period lines before the games
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:44:13 PM)
you'll only get 10-12% of the games going to a shootout if not less, so it's not that big of an impact
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:44:44 PM)
thank god.. i'm still not sold on shootouts
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:44:54 PM)
goon, tell that to the guy who has DET -350 going to a shootout, when someone else has (1st 60 min) line -400, and he's off the hook
buddyboy (Oct 12, 2005 9:45:03 PM)
actually it is more like 10.2345% to 11.98735%
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:45:13 PM)
any more questions?
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:45:33 PM)
buddyboy, thats what i had figured too
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:45:35 PM)
as for the intermission lines, they will either have the period line or a revised game ML at each intermission
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:45:48 PM)
I have a tech question... I switched from IE to Mozilla as my browser of choice... 5D is the one site where I am having some problems as the complete page doesn't get displayed when picking multiple options. I have found a work around by pressing F11 twice, but are you planning on making your site 100% compatible to Mozilla?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:45:49 PM)
and sometimes both
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:47:03 PM)
Mozilla, Firefox (not sure if i have that one right) and a number of browsing platforms have become mainstream in the past few years
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:47:23 PM)
we're concentrating more on getting the best performace out of IE
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:47:25 PM)
mozilla=Firefox
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:47:48 PM)
well, then i guess its one less to do when the time comes
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:48:08 PM)
right now we're working on conditional plays off of pending bets
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:48:12 PM)
anyone else?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:48:16 PM)
for both the internet and phone
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:48:23 PM)
are you guys doing anything technically to improve performance at crunch time? I can never get in between 11-1 EST, even if I am not trying to touch football
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:48:27 PM)
but Mozilla is on the listr
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:48:28 PM)
list
buddyboy (Oct 12, 2005 9:49:02 PM)
try f11
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:49:11 PM)
i suggest for everyone to use www.propbet.com who is having performance issues
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:49:29 PM)
buddyboy - I did the F11 thing, just wondering about a permanent fix...
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:49:35 PM)
it is a back up set of servers dedicated to overflow during crunch time
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:49:45 PM)
thanks, will give that a go
buddyboy (Oct 12, 2005 9:49:56 PM)
your good to go as long as you have that f11 key :)
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:49:57 PM)
we had zero speed issues last sunday
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:50:36 PM)
but the only real time to attack a speed issue is when its happening
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:51:04 PM)
between the updates we have made, and the propbet URL, there should be zero issues with speed
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:51:38 PM)
if there's no more questions I'll just open this up and let you all bs
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:51:44 PM)
how are the games going?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:05 PM)
mexico is losing to trinidad 2-1
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:06 PM)
need Argentina to tie it...
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:11 PM)
Hey Kosar
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:16 PM)
1-1 and 4-0
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:25 PM)
4-0 who?
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:27 PM)
2-0 minny over Canucks...
victorygallop (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:30 PM)
cws have em loaded
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:30 PM)
4-0 stlousy
leoj2002 (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:31 PM)
yzer needs some goals
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:47 PM)
3-0 brazil...
kosar (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:50 PM)
hey buzz
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 9:53:06 PM)
hards4-assholes0
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 9:53:20 PM)
i mean astros
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:53:49 PM)
I can't believe what LAA did last night--road trip from hell and they won, amazing??
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 9:53:50 PM)
oops now 5-0
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:54:35 PM)
we subscribe to a few arb services
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:55:09 PM)
Tony, I want to thank you for taking the time to answer questions here, and hope you won't be a stranger posting.
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:55:38 PM)
arb services?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:55:55 PM)
sorry, had a personal chat question
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:56:08 PM)
didn't really realize to was a private question
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 9:56:18 PM)
Chatmaster, what are you wearing tonight?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:56:25 PM)
anyways, i was asked what services we use for soccer guidance
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:56:52 PM)
as many of you know, there are more than a few companies out there who track all sportsbooks lines and line movements
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:57:15 PM)
many people use there services for arbing (which is also known as scalping)
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:57:18 PM)
betradar?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:57:25 PM)
yes, we use betradar
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:57:42 PM)
cool... thanks!
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:57:42 PM)
but it is intended for bookmaker use only
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:57:49 PM)
and not really intented for arbing
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:58:02 PM)
the price that goes along with betradar shows it
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:58:32 PM)
betradar, sports exchanges, and companies like tip-ex betbrain are all extensively used
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:58:37 PM)
people wonder why books don't give out bigger bonuses, but they don't see all these hidden costs for all the tools, software for the books...
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:59:05 PM)
phone lines
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:59:25 PM)
very expensive
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:59:28 PM)
yes, the list goes on and on
mvbski (Oct 12, 2005 9:59:39 PM)
if people only knew what it cost for day to day operations they would quit bitching so much about bonus's
DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:59:50 PM)
well, have a good night... I'm outta here... Thanks for the chat!
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:59:55 PM)
have a good nite
Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:59:59 PM)
night goon
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:00:50 PM)
yeah but when they got people like me that lose and lose and lose its not to expensive lol
buddyboy (Oct 12, 2005 10:01:29 PM)
I've always heard winners pay the vig not the loosers
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:01:35 PM)
thats not true
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:01:46 PM)
everyone pays vig
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:01:50 PM)
on every wager
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:01:57 PM)
you can always find a better price
mvbski (Oct 12, 2005 10:02:00 PM)
Tony who would you say is a top linesmaker who isnt mentioned alot in your opinion
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:02:11 PM)
the expected payout is the key
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:02:21 PM)
may I ask a blunt question?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:02:26 PM)
sure
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:02:32 PM)
i'm a blunt person
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:02:56 PM)
as for a top linesmaker, can't really comment
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:02:58 PM)
why do you try to be competitive with the vig in major sports but not even close with the more "obscure" sports?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:03:04 PM)
there are books we pay a lot of attention to
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:03:11 PM)
boxing/mma/nascar/etc
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:03:23 PM)
your a fast talker on the phone to lol
mvbski (Oct 12, 2005 10:03:31 PM)
can you say which ones ?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:03:55 PM)
in boxing, we offer 20 cent lines on most all fights where another sportsbook has a line
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:04:23 PM)
our KO/DEC/DRAW props have a hold percentage of 8-9%, while other books offering it have a hold of 20% or higher
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 10:04:30 PM)
You still do your own boxing--they used to be very opinionated lines??
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:04:46 PM)
yes, most of the boxing that goes up, i have a hand in it
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:04:57 PM)
i have been quite busy in the past few weeks
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:05:04 PM)
so others have taken on part of the role
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:05:24 PM)
but when 5Dimes is "off" from the rest of the books, it is my doing only
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 10:06:00 PM)
not wanting the action??
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 10:06:12 PM)
or not wanting to write
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:06:12 PM)
if i'm off from everyone else, i'm begging for action
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 10:06:18 PM)
got you
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:06:26 PM)
we have large opinions at times on boxing
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:06:36 PM)
do you plan on putting up O/U's and KO props on the HBO Latino fights tomorrow?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:07:02 PM)
i was working on boxing when i had to come and do the chat
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:07:06 PM)
I have a multiple prong question in regards to one same topic
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:07:09 PM)
i'll probably have the totals up tonight
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:07:13 PM)
and the props up tommorrow
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:07:23 PM)
(I meant no disrespect with the "juice" question)
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:07:35 PM)
well, i think all MMA should be 30 or 40 cents
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:07:42 PM)
any chance you will get rid of the -115 on 1AA football games & any chance ml, 1st H's, 1st H's, etc can be added?
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:08:03 PM)
oh and lastly any chance of limits being raised on these games? thanks
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:08:08 PM)
if you knew how much we've lost in 1-AA, you'd be thankful for the 30 cent lines
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:08:16 PM)
its definately a loss leader
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:08:25 PM)
we broke even with it the past few years
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:08:31 PM)
that isn't the case this year
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:08:42 PM)
I have a vested interest in those games ;)
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:09:00 PM)
you'll see 1-AA limits raised, and those other wagering options when we get to the playoffs
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:09:06 PM)
nice!
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:09:21 PM)
hope we can see it for the whole season next year & more women's cbb please :)
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:09:45 PM)
we'll have women's hoops
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:09:56 PM)
not sure of the limits or how many cents we'll be charging
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:10:07 PM)
a lot of it depends on if one or more books does it as well
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:10:19 PM)
cool, I noticed at times only a few games up when plenty were going on. i recall mostly top 25 teams up on the board at times
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:10:22 PM)
why do you say MMA should be 40 cent lines?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:10:25 PM)
competition always breeds better prices
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:10:33 PM)
yes, i feel MMA should be 40 cents
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:10:44 PM)
well I never really see books put up reg season wncaa which is why I'm happy atleast yours does
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:10:52 PM)
if i had to make up MMA lines, they'd probably be 60 cents
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:00 PM)
its just not a profitable sport for books
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:03 PM)
what is MMA
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:11 PM)
MIXED MARTIAL ARTS
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:16 PM)
like UFC and PRIDE fighting
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:18 PM)
oh ok
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:24 PM)
because your openers are often bad lol
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:45 PM)
i opened -120/-120 on Couture vs Liddell
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:47 PM)
yeah I could imagine. the lines are quite soft & ripe for the picking, only other sport more ripe is 1AA where if ml's were around, alot of nice dogs would be pulling down the cash outright
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:51 PM)
and was mocked for that one
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:12:01 PM)
i think thats the first time i opened a UFC fight in like 2 years
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:12:06 PM)
i knew who everyone would take
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:12:12 PM)
and had a solid opinion on that one
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:12:21 PM)
usually, we just try not to get scalped with it
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:12:53 PM)
no offense but that was a bad opener no matter who won
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:13:06 PM)
i had it a pick'em fight
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:13:24 PM)
and yes, it didn't look too sweet when i had to move it to -180
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:13:34 PM)
Couture -160 and you would have gotten buried on the opener
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:13:35 PM)
but we took dog money once i went past +125
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:13:41 PM)
someone was dumb enough to copy it
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:13:48 PM)
becuase the scalpers came in when we hit +125
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:13:59 PM)
who won the fight
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:14:06 PM)
Liddell won
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:14:07 PM)
Iceman
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:14:13 PM)
i opened -120/-120
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:14:18 PM)
just curious but any chance a tech could look into why getting lines isn't friendly in firefox. 9 times out of 10 I have to use IE as the screen would get cut off
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:14:26 PM)
chuck got to +230 or +240 at one time
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:14:49 PM)
chuck was the winner
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:14:53 PM)
i think thats more of a programmer issue, than it is a tech issue
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:15:05 PM)
i'll be it on my list for our next programmer meeting
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:15:18 PM)
yes, chuck was the winner
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:15:29 PM)
so you do not think reduced vig will drive boxing/mma volume at your shop?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:15:44 PM)
we do reduced juice on all don best fights
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:15:46 PM)
listed in props
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:15:55 PM)
day of fight, yes
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:16:04 PM)
again, being blunt.......
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:16:07 PM)
no need to do more than that in my opinion
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:16:20 PM)
on the big fights you are competitive - just like in the major sports
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:16:35 PM)
but if i like Ouma tomorrow - for instance - I am probably going elsewhere
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:17:03 PM)
those are our openers
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:17:09 PM)
when our talent comes in and plays
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:17:15 PM)
we will have an opinion at that time
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:17:21 PM)
and possibly you'll find value
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:17:29 PM)
in the end, we put people on who we want them on
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:18:32 PM)
that about sums it up from my boxing/mma experience at 5d
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:18:59 PM)
not criticizing you btw
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:19:04 PM)
not at all
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:19:31 PM)
no one ever made money posting their own numbers with dime lines and 20k limits on HBO Latino fights
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 10:19:42 PM)
lmao
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:20:05 PM)
at least we get them bumped up to first bell time
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:20:31 PM)
we write a lot of late action when other books are already off the board
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:20:40 PM)
yes, I agree with that
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:20:44 PM)
nice feature
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:20:48 PM)
as you can see, we do watch them
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:21:33 PM)
tony whats a reasonable grading time on bets for lets say saturday during football
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:21:46 PM)
game lines, usually within 5 minutes
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:21:57 PM)
what about 1-aa
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:22:07 PM)
sometimes when multiple games are ending, the quarters and prop bets get pushed aside
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:22:12 PM)
and yes 1-aa
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:22:26 PM)
do you get any coverage on foreign fights? or do you just grade them based on the usual websites
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:22:26 PM)
if there is a game you need graded, the livehelp feature is great for that
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:22:54 PM)
foreign fights are going great to be able to watch in the near future
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:23:00 PM)
new technology coming out
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:23:21 PM)
I already have a tv - more advanced?
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:23:26 PM)
:-)
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:23:30 PM)
where you can control a cable box or satillite from another another country via the internet
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:23:40 PM)
well 3 weeks ago it took me 5 calls and an hour to get my 3 team pleaser graded .... thought it was alot of trouble to have to go through
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:23:41 PM)
and watch that cable/satillite systerm over the internet
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:23:42 PM)
live
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:24:00 PM)
yeah I am shoked more of these good german fights are not even webcast
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:24:13 PM)
yes, but check out www.bestbuy.com
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:24:23 PM)
i know they've got something that does what i'm talking about
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:24:38 PM)
and i'm sure there will be servies in the USA as well as europe offering it soon for a fee
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:25:15 PM)
i'd love to be able to click on my Australian cable box at 4am and watch some assie rules football at the click of a button
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:25:54 PM)
will 5dimes be doing anything for the Breeders Cup in 2 weeks?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:26:17 PM)
the week of, yes
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:26:22 PM)
probably not before
victorygallop (Oct 12, 2005 10:26:26 PM)
no you cant go over there tbucky
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:27:06 PM)
never saw a book that made money posting horses futures more than a week before, its a battle of info the books almost always lose
victorygallop (Oct 12, 2005 10:27:35 PM)
to watch fights
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:28:26 PM)
Tony I probably missed this earlier
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:28:35 PM)
but what are your responsibilities at 5d?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:28:57 PM)
one word: everything
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:29:14 PM)
i am in charge of every single aspect of this operation
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:29:49 PM)
so the job title on the door of your office reads.................
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:29:58 PM)
i don't have an office
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:30:07 PM)
i sit on the stage most of the time
BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 10:30:24 PM)
The Man in the Chair
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:30:41 PM)
spend at least half of my time walking around the office helping people in all departments
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:30:49 PM)
well, our stage has 5 chairs on it
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:30:53 PM)
a lot to keep track of
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:31:15 PM)
all the desks for golf.tennis,soccer, nascar etc are to my right
buddyboy (Oct 12, 2005 10:31:51 PM)
I just want to thank tony for everything 5Dimes offers, you guys are good people, thanks gnight everyone
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:32:06 PM)
good nite, thanks for the kind words
Yzerman#19 (Oct 12, 2005 10:32:45 PM)
Hey Tony, just wanted to commend you on being the only book with the balls to offer 60 minute wagering on NHL this season.
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:33:04 PM)
was a big decision
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:33:10 PM)
becuase if you offer it day #1
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:33:16 PM)
you've got to offer it all season
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:33:26 PM)
which is why you don't see intermission lines on all games
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:33:32 PM)
on nights i'm in the office
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:33:36 PM)
it wouldn't be a problem
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:33:45 PM)
but even i take a day off now and then
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:33:54 PM)
so we offer what we know we can offer on a daily basis
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:34:17 PM)
and it takes out the worrying of a 4-4 and shootout coin toss situation
Yzerman#19 (Oct 12, 2005 10:34:55 PM)
I think they're great, of course I haven't been successful with them but that's a whole other story ;(
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:34:56 PM)
4-4 meaning 4 on 4
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:35:29 PM)
so tony do you concur that 1 hour to grade a pleaser and 5 calls asking to grade it...... shouldnt be the norm
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:36:05 PM)
no, i do not
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:36:16 PM)
should take zero calls
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:36:22 PM)
and it should have already been graded
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:36:48 PM)
i have no idea what the specific situation was in that case
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:06 PM)
one mention of the game on livehelp, and it should have been graded within minutes
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:10 PM)
I'm glad you have the 1st 60 mins rule as I prefer it over the 3 way line cris offers
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:22 PM)
6 choices are always better then 3
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:24 PM)
and if you call in and ask for something graded should the clerk saying 5 minutes be ok.....or you think its better to go ahead and ask for supervisior on first call
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:28 PM)
and our prices are usually better than thiers
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:39 PM)
yep
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:49 PM)
got burned on the Thrashers tonight but think a ton of people did
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:50 PM)
best is to call customer service
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:57 PM)
tony, is it appropriate for me to ask you what your opener was on klits/rahman?
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:11 PM)
if not, ignore
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:15 PM)
euro books were huge
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:19 PM)
i tohught i went low enough
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:24 PM)
and got hit on it
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:33 PM)
I saw some places open +500
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:36 PM)
yes
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:38 PM)
and get buried
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:39 PM)
and i've hit them
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:46 PM)
did they ever move off +500 on wins only?
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:39:04 PM)
I few shops still have +400
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:39:33 PM)
that fight could close very low
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:39:53 PM)
will close -300 +200 i think
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:39:53 PM)
just depends how much euro money fights off all the gringo dog bettors
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:39:57 PM)
ish
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:40:23 PM)
no one in vegas will lay the fav
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:40:40 PM)
I dunno, this Klits has a following
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:40:40 PM)
will be a huge arb putting the euro books up against the vegas line
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:41:01 PM)
a following and a -600 following are two different things
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:41:23 PM)
dogs have been live all year, i don't see people stopping to take this fav
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:42:02 PM)
whats the O/U gonna be
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:42:05 PM)
4.5? lol
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:42:16 PM)
i'm in the back office
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:42:19 PM)
don't have my notes on that one
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:42:38 PM)
but that total seems small to me
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:44:10 PM)
i would say closer to 7 on the total
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:44:23 PM)
but of course, if i had to open it, it would be 60 cents with a $100 limit
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:44:28 PM)
so i'll wait around
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:45:06 PM)
I just cant see this one lasting too long
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:45:09 PM)
style conflict
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:45:34 PM)
doesn't always lead to quick endings, and sometimes quite the opposite
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:45:49 PM)
both of these guys gas though
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:46:07 PM)
i heard the same thing about wlad and peter
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:46:18 PM)
good point
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:46:20 PM)
people bet fight won't go distance like they already saw it end
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:46:33 PM)
every forum i read, people thought it was the lock of all time
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:46:47 PM)
we took some sharp money later on distance
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:46:54 PM)
i wish i had stuck to my guns and stayed small
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:46:55 PM)
JLC/Corrales was -300 O8.5
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:47:08 PM)
6.5 that is
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:47:33 PM)
we had a few chalk layers get stung on starts round 7 prop
valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:48:25 PM)
tony u got any matchplay or freeplay or special bonuses u can offer exclusive to us chatters here tonight
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:48:26 PM)
but in the end, my opinion was wrong on that fight, and we lost on it
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:49:03 PM)
did you move the line when it went back up on saturday?
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:49:22 PM)
cubs, give me a call after the chat ends, and i'll take a look into your account
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:49:31 PM)
we never took it down
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:49:40 PM)
i had it drop off at 6pm eastern
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:49:43 PM)
for the weighin
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:49:52 PM)
and was back up around 6:20pm
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:04 PM)
i don't know why all the books too it down
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:07 PM)
a few took it down
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:10 PM)
most
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:13 PM)
and the rest followed like the fight was done
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:17 PM)
yes, correct, most
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:27 PM)
we got bets on both sides
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:33 PM)
sharp action both ways
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:37 PM)
well I bet hern/Pacq O10.5
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:39 PM)
all goes to show, no one had a clue on it
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:51 PM)
so just like that fight, then didnt want to have to refund action I guess
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:52:38 PM)
i got really busy during those fights
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:52:45 PM)
haven't had a chance to watch the tapes yet
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:52:55 PM)
it was a 10 rounder lol
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:52:55 PM)
so i really can't comment on any of them
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:53:02 PM)
yes, we never put the total up
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:53:19 PM)
and i could have done a 9.5, but just didn't get around to it
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:53:23 PM)
something i should have gotten up
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:53:29 PM)
Pacq took a ton of action
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:53:37 PM)
i hate handicaping totals when i don't know how many rounds it is
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:53:43 PM)
and won a very shady decision
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:53:45 PM)
yes, we lost that one
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:53:49 PM)
and won the arce won
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:54:08 PM)
twice as big on the latter fight
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:54:24 PM)
i tried to be high on it all nite
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:54:28 PM)
sometimes its hard to keep up
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:54:51 PM)
for those of you not watching HOU/STL
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:54:52 PM)
get it on
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:55:19 PM)
CHI/ANA just got interesting
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:57:05 PM)
looked like a bad call
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:57:13 PM)
agree, bad call
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:57:31 PM)
terrible call
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:57:42 PM)
if I am ozzie I send this pr 1st pitch
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:57:46 PM)
only a matter of time before we have instant replay in some form in MLB
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:58:10 PM)
a computer will be calling balls and strikes by 2020
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:58:40 PM)
only a fool didn't see he caught it
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:58:52 PM)
and it goes the other way
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:58:56 PM)
you have to assume he caught it
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:58:58 PM)
the ump rung him up too
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:59:05 PM)
the bad call is supposed to be the other way
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:59:08 PM)
when he doesn't
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:59:12 PM)
and they call that he did
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:59:15 PM)
not the other way around
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:59:27 PM)
hope it doesn' cost them
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:59:32 PM)
you simply don't make that mistake as a little league ump
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:59:53 PM)
man betting unders in the nhl is painful now
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 11:00:01 PM)
than Cano call might have cost the Yanks the series
EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 11:00:28 PM)
holy crap
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 11:00:30 PM)
lol
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 11:00:31 PM)
wow
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 11:00:53 PM)
they'll devote half of sportscenter to this
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 11:02:25 PM)
unreal
Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 11:02:37 PM)
I'd be pissed if I had ANA ML
5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 11:03:36 PM)
i want to thank everyone for coming to the chat, i've got some boxing work to do, have a good nite