Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:04:21 PM)
ok, first of all, I want to thank Tony for being here tonight. And I have a question. Have you read the 5dimes poster reviews? : )

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:04:35 PM)
Chucky -- the deal is that Mangino has lost his brain---and he started the wrong quarterback and then he second guesses his calls

ChuckyTheGoat (Oct 12, 2005 9:04:41 PM)
welcome, Ton-man

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:04:43 PM)
assuming yes, what do you think of them?

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:04:57 PM)
You guys have reviews here??

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:05:10 PM)
If anyone has a question for Tony, please send me a pm and I'll let you know when it's your turn.

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:08:06 PM)
Buzz, You've done a great job setting up the reviews. I think 5dimes has 40 poster comments

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:08:32 PM)
Thanks chat-- it has been a fun project--

the_major (Oct 12, 2005 9:08:58 PM)
tony must be on the phone

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:09:04 PM)
First off, I'd like to thank Majorwager for inviting 5Dimes to be a part of their chat, and also thank everyone for logging on to be a part of it

Yzerman#19 (Oct 12, 2005 9:09:05 PM)
Can't believe Buzz hasn't screwed it up

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:10:00 PM)
until after the chat is over, no phone calls for me tonight

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:10:27 PM)
then, anyone who would like to call to discuss anything, i'll be in the office until the games end

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:10:35 PM)
did you see my question about the MW reviews? What do you think of them?

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:10:48 PM)
If anyone has a question for Tony, please send me a pm and I'll let you know when it's your turn.

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:10:55 PM)
buzz is up next

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:11:12 PM)
seems like the posters feel we're doing a fairly good job

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:11:27 PM)
reviews are a fabulous idea

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:12:04 PM)
instead of having to do extensive searches through posts, people can find all the info they need on a book in one place

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:12:49 PM)
I read all the reviews for 5dimes and was very impressed

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:13:23 PM)
buzz, you're up

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:13:29 PM)
Thanks chat

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:14:27 PM)
Tony big fan of your book here, I don't think anybody does a better job with golf betting

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:14:32 PM)
my question is

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:15:33 PM)
next up is irishgambler - If anyone has a question for Tony, please send me a pm and I'll let you know when it's your turn.

Irishgambler (Oct 12, 2005 9:15:37 PM)
Tony..thanx for taking the time...Great reviews on your book so far, keep up the great work..... but as far as neteller payouts go, you process them 24/7 or is it a M-F?? Thank you in advance!!

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:15:47 PM)
have you relied on your own opinion for golf and boxing --typically your offers are so much more unique than other North American books-- are they influenced by the European markets

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:16:16 PM)
oops sorry irish, i meant after buzz

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:16:34 PM)
yes, the European markets play a large role in the our golf offerings

Irishgambler (Oct 12, 2005 9:16:52 PM)
sorry

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:16:57 PM)
few books still offer LPGA and Seniors-- your stuff seems pretty unique

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:17:06 PM)
the term 3balls seems to be a left out word from american sportsbooks

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:17:37 PM)
5dimes is only of the few sportsbooks on this side of the planet that will pair up golfers playing directly against each other on a given day

ChuckyTheGoat (Oct 12, 2005 9:17:54 PM)
3balls sounds like a deformity

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:17:59 PM)
the european markets are also the only place where odds on all golfers can be found

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:18:16 PM)
generally vegas books offer only the top 20-25 golfers in a tournament

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:18:29 PM)
then they throw up a field for the rest of the golfers

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:18:43 PM)
this was done becuase of spacing issues on their boards in the casinos

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:19:05 PM)
since there are no spacing issues on the internet, we have room for all the players

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:19:22 PM)
as well as room to update the odds daily after each round is completely

the_major (Oct 12, 2005 9:19:24 PM)
never thought of that reason tony, good one

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:20:08 PM)
buzz, any follow up golf questions?

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:20:23 PM)
no-- you guys do a great job with the golf, Thanks

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:20:33 PM)
something specific, becuase i could ramble on for way too long about golf

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:20:59 PM)
thanks again, we take great pride is completely covering the sport

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:21:26 PM)
irish, your up

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:21:38 PM)
If anyone has a question for Tony, please send me a pm and I'll let you know when it's your turn.

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:22:38 PM)
Irish was asking about Neteller payouts

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:22:52 PM)
we offer neteller payouts 7 days a week

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:23:14 PM)
unlike some books, there is no limit to the amount you may take out at one time

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:23:47 PM)
Redemptions are processed free of charge once per 30 days if requested on Mondays between 9:00 AM and 1:00 PM EST

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:08 PM)
Hi gang

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:10 PM)
major, your up next

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:12 PM)
Additional redemptions or redemptions not processed in the Monday time frame have $15 transaction fee.

Irishgambler (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:14 PM)
So if we request them in the morning, they hit our account approximately when?

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:14 PM)
hi dg

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:38 PM)
Neteller redemptions are most usually processed within and hour at the most

Irishgambler (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:44 PM)
ok..thanx for the time Tony

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:48 PM)
when a customer requests it, it is done at that time

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:24:59 PM)
no point in making anyone wait to get their money

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:25:00 PM)
short line guys, if you have a question double click me and let me know

Irishgambler (Oct 12, 2005 9:25:03 PM)
Wow..impressive...Thank you!!!

the_major (Oct 12, 2005 9:25:08 PM)
Tony, it seems that your book is one of the leaders in props. I am aware of the work that goes into setting all the prop lines. What kind of staff do you have handling all the props or do you do it all yourself.

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:25:29 PM)
the staff just continues to grow

the_major (Oct 12, 2005 9:25:41 PM)
a follow up

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:25:44 PM)
i used to do all the football props

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:25:55 PM)
now i have a part in about 25-35% of them

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:26:12 PM)
we have a few managers who specialize in only props

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:26:36 PM)
they know what i'm thinking, and we go over the games daily to make sure we're on the same page with them

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:26:46 PM)
but it is defiantely a group effort

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:27:07 PM)
i can take credit for the hockey intermission lines

the_major (Oct 12, 2005 9:27:07 PM)
do you have a person that monitors all the props regularily for movement and adjusts them and if soo how oftne wold you review all of your props

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:27:09 PM)
that is all me

the_major (Oct 12, 2005 9:27:25 PM)
sorry about the typos

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:27:37 PM)
hockey intermission lines?

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:27:59 PM)
goon, your up next

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:28:01 PM)
i'll get to the hockey intermission in a sec

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:28:04 PM)
as for the props

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:28:06 PM)
we move on action

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:28:09 PM)
Hi Tony... Thanks for stopping by. My question is regarding soccer... I appreciate the variety you guys put up, but why is that you only do -0.5/+0.5 for the smaller/lower leagues instead of real asian handicaps?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:28:13 PM)
once their up, when someone bets, it gets moved

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:28:44 PM)
the linesman and props department is constantly running the entire board of lines to make sure all odds are in line

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:28:53 PM)
and if you get "inspired" from somewhere, can I ask why? maybe I can get higher limits there

the_major (Oct 12, 2005 9:29:00 PM)
thanks tony

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:29:05 PM)
not why but where :)

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:29:53 PM)
goon, are you asking why we only do -1/2/+1/2 and not 3way lines?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:30:08 PM)
-1/2 / +1/2 is a handicap line

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:30:40 PM)
not 3-way but real asian handicaps... maybe your software doesn't allow 1/4 goals and stuff... but say for France 2 you have -0.5/+0.5 but at +160 -200 or something likethat... why not do -0.25 instead

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:30:48 PM)
ahh

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:30:50 PM)
yes

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:31:11 PM)
currently the software does not allow -0.25 goals (also known as E-1/2) lines

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:31:14 PM)
also, why not -1/+1 nd -1.5/1.5 instead of teams at -0.5 -500

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:31:16 PM)
the main problem is with parlays

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:31:26 PM)
we're are a huge parlay book

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:31:46 PM)
and soon as you start offering line that split the money, the parlay combinations become endless

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:32:06 PM)
followup if I may, what kind of split are you looking at straight bets vs parlays if you don't mind me asking with such high parlay volume?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:32:23 PM)
the openbets page on one parlay with 3-4 asian handicaps which do not fall on 1/2 flat would cover more than a few pages

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:33:01 PM)
fair enough...thanks for your answers!

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:33:04 PM)
If you have a question for Tony, please send me a private message and I will put you in the queue

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:33:14 PM)
valleycubs is up

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 9:33:20 PM)
hi tony does your book offer loyalty bonuses or birthday bonuses or such ..... others from whats on your main page thanks. ps whats a 0.25 line in soccer not familiar with it

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:33:20 PM)
if you got rid of our top 5% volume players, our percentage on non-straight wagers would be 20-25%

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:33:42 PM)
our parlay card is second to none, and the parlay players have noticed

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:34:23 PM)
as for the intermission lines, we offer NHL intermission lines on all nationally televised games

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:34:36 PM)
right that now that is only the games on OLN

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:35:16 PM)
when the playoffs come, as we have in the past, we will have offerings on all games at both intermissions and overtime

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:35:38 PM)
birthday bonuses is something we haven't gotten into

the_major (Oct 12, 2005 9:35:52 PM)
LMFAO

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:36:02 PM)
but its something i will definately look into, its just something i had never thought of before

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:36:16 PM)
won't make a difference to the guys born Feb 29th, either way :)

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:36:30 PM)
0.25 line is a split asain line

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:36:58 PM)
say for instance you have a line 0.25 on guatamala vs costa rica tonight

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:37:18 PM)
guatamala was the 0.25 goal favorite

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:37:40 PM)
and you had a line of Guatamala -0.25 -120

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:37:48 PM)
and you wagered 1200 to win 1000

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:38:00 PM)
you wager is split in half on each side of the line quoted

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:38:17 PM)
so you would have 600 to win 500 on Guatamala -1/2 a goal

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:38:34 PM)
and 600 to win 500 on Guatamala with a line of 0

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:38:46 PM)
so your possible outcomes are as follows:

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:39:02 PM)
Guatamala wins, you would win $1000

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:39:04 PM)
if you have a question for 5dimes/Tony, please pm me and I will let you know when it's your turn. Thanks

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:39:13 PM)
Costa Rica wins, you would lose $1200

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:39:34 PM)
if the game ends in a tie, you would lose half of your wager, and tie the second half

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:39:51 PM)
so overall on a tie you would lose $600

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:40:01 PM)
goal increments are not only 0.25

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:40:09 PM)
they may be 0.75 1.25 1.75

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:40:11 PM)
and on up

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 9:40:29 PM)
ok i understand ....... i always wondered what that was when i saw people talking about it

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:40:52 PM)
a nice way to get a line close to a a flat price of -110/-110 on both sides

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:41:20 PM)
otherwise you sometimes get stuck with prices of -160 to -200 on matches

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:41:30 PM)
on the handicap prices

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 9:41:56 PM)
ok thanks

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:42:33 PM)
I asked this same question in the forum... how have the new hockey rules affected the lines? Were you worried about so many huge changes when making the lines?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:42:33 PM)
not a problem at all

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:42:52 PM)
not a lot changed for us

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:43:03 PM)
its like booking playoff hockey on a daily basis

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:43:07 PM)
with one twist

jakethompson (Oct 12, 2005 9:43:14 PM)
.

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:43:16 PM)
the end of the game is virtually a coin toss

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:43:36 PM)
i really don't know how to handicap which teams are better in shootouts

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:43:38 PM)
only time will tell

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:43:44 PM)
and intermission bets.. same thing as a half-time bet? I have never seen that

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:44:10 PM)
we offer 1st-2nd-3rd period lines before the games

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:44:13 PM)
you'll only get 10-12% of the games going to a shootout if not less, so it's not that big of an impact

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:44:44 PM)
thank god.. i'm still not sold on shootouts

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:44:54 PM)
goon, tell that to the guy who has DET -350 going to a shootout, when someone else has (1st 60 min) line -400, and he's off the hook

buddyboy (Oct 12, 2005 9:45:03 PM)
actually it is more like 10.2345% to 11.98735%

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:45:13 PM)
any more questions?

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:45:33 PM)
buddyboy, thats what i had figured too

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:45:35 PM)
as for the intermission lines, they will either have the period line or a revised game ML at each intermission

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:45:48 PM)
I have a tech question... I switched from IE to Mozilla as my browser of choice... 5D is the one site where I am having some problems as the complete page doesn't get displayed when picking multiple options. I have found a work around by pressing F11 twice, but are you planning on making your site 100% compatible to Mozilla?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:45:49 PM)
and sometimes both

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:47:03 PM)
Mozilla, Firefox (not sure if i have that one right) and a number of browsing platforms have become mainstream in the past few years

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:47:23 PM)
we're concentrating more on getting the best performace out of IE

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:47:25 PM)
mozilla=Firefox

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:47:48 PM)
well, then i guess its one less to do when the time comes

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:48:08 PM)
right now we're working on conditional plays off of pending bets

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:48:12 PM)
anyone else?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:48:16 PM)
for both the internet and phone

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:48:23 PM)
are you guys doing anything technically to improve performance at crunch time? I can never get in between 11-1 EST, even if I am not trying to touch football

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:48:27 PM)
but Mozilla is on the listr

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:48:28 PM)
list

buddyboy (Oct 12, 2005 9:49:02 PM)
try f11

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:49:11 PM)
i suggest for everyone to use www.propbet.com who is having performance issues

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:49:29 PM)
buddyboy - I did the F11 thing, just wondering about a permanent fix...

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:49:35 PM)
it is a back up set of servers dedicated to overflow during crunch time

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:49:45 PM)
thanks, will give that a go

buddyboy (Oct 12, 2005 9:49:56 PM)
your good to go as long as you have that f11 key :)

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:49:57 PM)
we had zero speed issues last sunday

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:50:36 PM)
but the only real time to attack a speed issue is when its happening

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:51:04 PM)
between the updates we have made, and the propbet URL, there should be zero issues with speed

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:51:38 PM)
if there's no more questions I'll just open this up and let you all bs

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:51:44 PM)
how are the games going?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:05 PM)
mexico is losing to trinidad 2-1

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:06 PM)
need Argentina to tie it...

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:11 PM)
Hey Kosar

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:16 PM)
1-1 and 4-0

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:25 PM)
4-0 who?

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:27 PM)
2-0 minny over Canucks...

victorygallop (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:30 PM)
cws have em loaded

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:30 PM)
4-0 stlousy

leoj2002 (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:31 PM)
yzer needs some goals

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:47 PM)
3-0 brazil...

kosar (Oct 12, 2005 9:52:50 PM)
hey buzz

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 9:53:06 PM)
hards4-assholes0

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 9:53:20 PM)
i mean astros

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:53:49 PM)
I can't believe what LAA did last night--road trip from hell and they won, amazing??

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 9:53:50 PM)
oops now 5-0

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:54:35 PM)
we subscribe to a few arb services

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:55:09 PM)
Tony, I want to thank you for taking the time to answer questions here, and hope you won't be a stranger posting.

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:55:38 PM)
arb services?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:55:55 PM)
sorry, had a personal chat question

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:56:08 PM)
didn't really realize to was a private question

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 9:56:18 PM)
Chatmaster, what are you wearing tonight?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:56:25 PM)
anyways, i was asked what services we use for soccer guidance

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:56:52 PM)
as many of you know, there are more than a few companies out there who track all sportsbooks lines and line movements

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:57:15 PM)
many people use there services for arbing (which is also known as scalping)

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:57:18 PM)
betradar?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:57:25 PM)
yes, we use betradar

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:57:42 PM)
cool... thanks!

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:57:42 PM)
but it is intended for bookmaker use only

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:57:49 PM)
and not really intented for arbing

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:58:02 PM)
the price that goes along with betradar shows it

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:58:32 PM)
betradar, sports exchanges, and companies like tip-ex betbrain are all extensively used

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:58:37 PM)
people wonder why books don't give out bigger bonuses, but they don't see all these hidden costs for all the tools, software for the books...

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:59:05 PM)
phone lines

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 9:59:25 PM)
very expensive

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:59:28 PM)
yes, the list goes on and on

mvbski (Oct 12, 2005 9:59:39 PM)
if people only knew what it cost for day to day operations they would quit bitching so much about bonus's

DrunkenGoon (Oct 12, 2005 9:59:50 PM)
well, have a good night... I'm outta here... Thanks for the chat!

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 9:59:55 PM)
have a good nite

Chatmaster (Oct 12, 2005 9:59:59 PM)
night goon

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:00:50 PM)
yeah but when they got people like me that lose and lose and lose its not to expensive lol

buddyboy (Oct 12, 2005 10:01:29 PM)
I've always heard winners pay the vig not the loosers

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:01:35 PM)
thats not true

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:01:46 PM)
everyone pays vig

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:01:50 PM)
on every wager

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:01:57 PM)
you can always find a better price

mvbski (Oct 12, 2005 10:02:00 PM)
Tony who would you say is a top linesmaker who isnt mentioned alot in your opinion

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:02:11 PM)
the expected payout is the key

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:02:21 PM)
may I ask a blunt question?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:02:26 PM)
sure

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:02:32 PM)
i'm a blunt person

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:02:56 PM)
as for a top linesmaker, can't really comment

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:02:58 PM)
why do you try to be competitive with the vig in major sports but not even close with the more "obscure" sports?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:03:04 PM)
there are books we pay a lot of attention to

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:03:11 PM)
boxing/mma/nascar/etc

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:03:23 PM)
your a fast talker on the phone to lol

mvbski (Oct 12, 2005 10:03:31 PM)
can you say which ones ?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:03:55 PM)
in boxing, we offer 20 cent lines on most all fights where another sportsbook has a line

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:04:23 PM)
our KO/DEC/DRAW props have a hold percentage of 8-9%, while other books offering it have a hold of 20% or higher

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 10:04:30 PM)
You still do your own boxing--they used to be very opinionated lines??

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:04:46 PM)
yes, most of the boxing that goes up, i have a hand in it

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:04:57 PM)
i have been quite busy in the past few weeks

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:05:04 PM)
so others have taken on part of the role

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:05:24 PM)
but when 5Dimes is "off" from the rest of the books, it is my doing only

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 10:06:00 PM)
not wanting the action??

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 10:06:12 PM)
or not wanting to write

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:06:12 PM)
if i'm off from everyone else, i'm begging for action

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 10:06:18 PM)
got you

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:06:26 PM)
we have large opinions at times on boxing

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:06:36 PM)
do you plan on putting up O/U's and KO props on the HBO Latino fights tomorrow?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:07:02 PM)
i was working on boxing when i had to come and do the chat

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:07:06 PM)
I have a multiple prong question in regards to one same topic

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:07:09 PM)
i'll probably have the totals up tonight

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:07:13 PM)
and the props up tommorrow

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:07:23 PM)
(I meant no disrespect with the "juice" question)

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:07:35 PM)
well, i think all MMA should be 30 or 40 cents

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:07:42 PM)
any chance you will get rid of the -115 on 1AA football games & any chance ml, 1st H's, 1st H's, etc can be added?

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:08:03 PM)
oh and lastly any chance of limits being raised on these games? thanks

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:08:08 PM)
if you knew how much we've lost in 1-AA, you'd be thankful for the 30 cent lines

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:08:16 PM)
its definately a loss leader

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:08:25 PM)
we broke even with it the past few years

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:08:31 PM)
that isn't the case this year

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:08:42 PM)
I have a vested interest in those games ;)

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:09:00 PM)
you'll see 1-AA limits raised, and those other wagering options when we get to the playoffs

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:09:06 PM)
nice!

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:09:21 PM)
hope we can see it for the whole season next year & more women's cbb please :)

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:09:45 PM)
we'll have women's hoops

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:09:56 PM)
not sure of the limits or how many cents we'll be charging

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:10:07 PM)
a lot of it depends on if one or more books does it as well

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:10:19 PM)
cool, I noticed at times only a few games up when plenty were going on. i recall mostly top 25 teams up on the board at times

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:10:22 PM)
why do you say MMA should be 40 cent lines?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:10:25 PM)
competition always breeds better prices

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:10:33 PM)
yes, i feel MMA should be 40 cents

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:10:44 PM)
well I never really see books put up reg season wncaa which is why I'm happy atleast yours does

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:10:52 PM)
if i had to make up MMA lines, they'd probably be 60 cents

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:00 PM)
its just not a profitable sport for books

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:03 PM)
what is MMA

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:11 PM)
MIXED MARTIAL ARTS

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:16 PM)
like UFC and PRIDE fighting

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:18 PM)
oh ok

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:24 PM)
because your openers are often bad lol

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:45 PM)
i opened -120/-120 on Couture vs Liddell

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:47 PM)
yeah I could imagine. the lines are quite soft & ripe for the picking, only other sport more ripe is 1AA where if ml's were around, alot of nice dogs would be pulling down the cash outright

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:11:51 PM)
and was mocked for that one

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:12:01 PM)
i think thats the first time i opened a UFC fight in like 2 years

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:12:06 PM)
i knew who everyone would take

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:12:12 PM)
and had a solid opinion on that one

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:12:21 PM)
usually, we just try not to get scalped with it

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:12:53 PM)
no offense but that was a bad opener no matter who won

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:13:06 PM)
i had it a pick'em fight

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:13:24 PM)
and yes, it didn't look too sweet when i had to move it to -180

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:13:34 PM)
Couture -160 and you would have gotten buried on the opener

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:13:35 PM)
but we took dog money once i went past +125

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:13:41 PM)
someone was dumb enough to copy it

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:13:48 PM)
becuase the scalpers came in when we hit +125

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:13:59 PM)
who won the fight

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:14:06 PM)
Liddell won

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:14:07 PM)
Iceman

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:14:13 PM)
i opened -120/-120

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:14:18 PM)
just curious but any chance a tech could look into why getting lines isn't friendly in firefox. 9 times out of 10 I have to use IE as the screen would get cut off

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:14:26 PM)
chuck got to +230 or +240 at one time

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:14:49 PM)
chuck was the winner

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:14:53 PM)
i think thats more of a programmer issue, than it is a tech issue

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:15:05 PM)
i'll be it on my list for our next programmer meeting

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:15:18 PM)
yes, chuck was the winner

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:15:29 PM)
so you do not think reduced vig will drive boxing/mma volume at your shop?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:15:44 PM)
we do reduced juice on all don best fights

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:15:46 PM)
listed in props

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:15:55 PM)
day of fight, yes

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:16:04 PM)
again, being blunt.......

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:16:07 PM)
no need to do more than that in my opinion

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:16:20 PM)
on the big fights you are competitive - just like in the major sports

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:16:35 PM)
but if i like Ouma tomorrow - for instance - I am probably going elsewhere

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:17:03 PM)
those are our openers

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:17:09 PM)
when our talent comes in and plays

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:17:15 PM)
we will have an opinion at that time

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:17:21 PM)
and possibly you'll find value

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:17:29 PM)
in the end, we put people on who we want them on

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:18:32 PM)
that about sums it up from my boxing/mma experience at 5d

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:18:59 PM)
not criticizing you btw

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:19:04 PM)
not at all

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:19:31 PM)
no one ever made money posting their own numbers with dime lines and 20k limits on HBO Latino fights

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 10:19:42 PM)
lmao

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:20:05 PM)
at least we get them bumped up to first bell time

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:20:31 PM)
we write a lot of late action when other books are already off the board

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:20:40 PM)
yes, I agree with that

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:20:44 PM)
nice feature

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:20:48 PM)
as you can see, we do watch them

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:21:33 PM)
tony whats a reasonable grading time on bets for lets say saturday during football

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:21:46 PM)
game lines, usually within 5 minutes

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:21:57 PM)
what about 1-aa

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:22:07 PM)
sometimes when multiple games are ending, the quarters and prop bets get pushed aside

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:22:12 PM)
and yes 1-aa

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:22:26 PM)
do you get any coverage on foreign fights? or do you just grade them based on the usual websites

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:22:26 PM)
if there is a game you need graded, the livehelp feature is great for that

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:22:54 PM)
foreign fights are going great to be able to watch in the near future

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:23:00 PM)
new technology coming out

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:23:21 PM)
I already have a tv - more advanced?

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:23:26 PM)
:-)

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:23:30 PM)
where you can control a cable box or satillite from another another country via the internet

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:23:40 PM)
well 3 weeks ago it took me 5 calls and an hour to get my 3 team pleaser graded .... thought it was alot of trouble to have to go through

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:23:41 PM)
and watch that cable/satillite systerm over the internet

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:23:42 PM)
live

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:24:00 PM)
yeah I am shoked more of these good german fights are not even webcast

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:24:13 PM)
yes, but check out www.bestbuy.com

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:24:23 PM)
i know they've got something that does what i'm talking about

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:24:38 PM)
and i'm sure there will be servies in the USA as well as europe offering it soon for a fee

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:25:15 PM)
i'd love to be able to click on my Australian cable box at 4am and watch some assie rules football at the click of a button

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:25:54 PM)
will 5dimes be doing anything for the Breeders Cup in 2 weeks?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:26:17 PM)
the week of, yes

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:26:22 PM)
probably not before

victorygallop (Oct 12, 2005 10:26:26 PM)
no you cant go over there tbucky

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:27:06 PM)
never saw a book that made money posting horses futures more than a week before, its a battle of info the books almost always lose

victorygallop (Oct 12, 2005 10:27:35 PM)
to watch fights

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:28:26 PM)
Tony I probably missed this earlier

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:28:35 PM)
but what are your responsibilities at 5d?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:28:57 PM)
one word: everything

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:29:14 PM)
i am in charge of every single aspect of this operation

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:29:49 PM)
so the job title on the door of your office reads.................

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:29:58 PM)
i don't have an office

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:30:07 PM)
i sit on the stage most of the time

BuzzRavanaugh (Oct 12, 2005 10:30:24 PM)
The Man in the Chair

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:30:41 PM)
spend at least half of my time walking around the office helping people in all departments

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:30:49 PM)
well, our stage has 5 chairs on it

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:30:53 PM)
a lot to keep track of

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:31:15 PM)
all the desks for golf.tennis,soccer, nascar etc are to my right

buddyboy (Oct 12, 2005 10:31:51 PM)
I just want to thank tony for everything 5Dimes offers, you guys are good people, thanks gnight everyone

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:32:06 PM)
good nite, thanks for the kind words

Yzerman#19 (Oct 12, 2005 10:32:45 PM)
Hey Tony, just wanted to commend you on being the only book with the balls to offer 60 minute wagering on NHL this season.

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:33:04 PM)
was a big decision

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:33:10 PM)
becuase if you offer it day #1

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:33:16 PM)
you've got to offer it all season

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:33:26 PM)
which is why you don't see intermission lines on all games

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:33:32 PM)
on nights i'm in the office

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:33:36 PM)
it wouldn't be a problem

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:33:45 PM)
but even i take a day off now and then

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:33:54 PM)
so we offer what we know we can offer on a daily basis

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:34:17 PM)
and it takes out the worrying of a 4-4 and shootout coin toss situation

Yzerman#19 (Oct 12, 2005 10:34:55 PM)
I think they're great, of course I haven't been successful with them but that's a whole other story ;(

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:34:56 PM)
4-4 meaning 4 on 4

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:35:29 PM)
so tony do you concur that 1 hour to grade a pleaser and 5 calls asking to grade it...... shouldnt be the norm

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:36:05 PM)
no, i do not

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:36:16 PM)
should take zero calls

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:36:22 PM)
and it should have already been graded

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:36:48 PM)
i have no idea what the specific situation was in that case

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:06 PM)
one mention of the game on livehelp, and it should have been graded within minutes

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:10 PM)
I'm glad you have the 1st 60 mins rule as I prefer it over the 3 way line cris offers

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:22 PM)
6 choices are always better then 3

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:24 PM)
and if you call in and ask for something graded should the clerk saying 5 minutes be ok.....or you think its better to go ahead and ask for supervisior on first call

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:28 PM)
and our prices are usually better than thiers

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:39 PM)
yep

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:49 PM)
got burned on the Thrashers tonight but think a ton of people did

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:50 PM)
best is to call customer service

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:37:57 PM)
tony, is it appropriate for me to ask you what your opener was on klits/rahman?

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:11 PM)
if not, ignore

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:15 PM)
euro books were huge

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:19 PM)
i tohught i went low enough

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:24 PM)
and got hit on it

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:33 PM)
I saw some places open +500

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:36 PM)
yes

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:38 PM)
and get buried

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:39 PM)
and i've hit them

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:38:46 PM)
did they ever move off +500 on wins only?

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:39:04 PM)
I few shops still have +400

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:39:33 PM)
that fight could close very low

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:39:53 PM)
will close -300 +200 i think

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:39:53 PM)
just depends how much euro money fights off all the gringo dog bettors

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:39:57 PM)
ish

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:40:23 PM)
no one in vegas will lay the fav

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:40:40 PM)
I dunno, this Klits has a following

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:40:40 PM)
will be a huge arb putting the euro books up against the vegas line

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:41:01 PM)
a following and a -600 following are two different things

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:41:23 PM)
dogs have been live all year, i don't see people stopping to take this fav

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:42:02 PM)
whats the O/U gonna be

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:42:05 PM)
4.5? lol

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:42:16 PM)
i'm in the back office

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:42:19 PM)
don't have my notes on that one

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:42:38 PM)
but that total seems small to me

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:44:10 PM)
i would say closer to 7 on the total

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:44:23 PM)
but of course, if i had to open it, it would be 60 cents with a $100 limit

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:44:28 PM)
so i'll wait around

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:45:06 PM)
I just cant see this one lasting too long

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:45:09 PM)
style conflict

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:45:34 PM)
doesn't always lead to quick endings, and sometimes quite the opposite

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:45:49 PM)
both of these guys gas though

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:46:07 PM)
i heard the same thing about wlad and peter

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:46:18 PM)
good point

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:46:20 PM)
people bet fight won't go distance like they already saw it end

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:46:33 PM)
every forum i read, people thought it was the lock of all time

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:46:47 PM)
we took some sharp money later on distance

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:46:54 PM)
i wish i had stuck to my guns and stayed small

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:46:55 PM)
JLC/Corrales was -300 O8.5

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:47:08 PM)
6.5 that is

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:47:33 PM)
we had a few chalk layers get stung on starts round 7 prop

valleycubs (Oct 12, 2005 10:48:25 PM)
tony u got any matchplay or freeplay or special bonuses u can offer exclusive to us chatters here tonight

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:48:26 PM)
but in the end, my opinion was wrong on that fight, and we lost on it

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:49:03 PM)
did you move the line when it went back up on saturday?

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:49:22 PM)
cubs, give me a call after the chat ends, and i'll take a look into your account

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:49:31 PM)
we never took it down

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:49:40 PM)
i had it drop off at 6pm eastern

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:49:43 PM)
for the weighin

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:49:52 PM)
and was back up around 6:20pm

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:04 PM)
i don't know why all the books too it down

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:07 PM)
a few took it down

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:10 PM)
most

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:13 PM)
and the rest followed like the fight was done

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:17 PM)
yes, correct, most

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:27 PM)
we got bets on both sides

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:33 PM)
sharp action both ways

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:37 PM)
well I bet hern/Pacq O10.5

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:39 PM)
all goes to show, no one had a clue on it

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:50:51 PM)
so just like that fight, then didnt want to have to refund action I guess

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:52:38 PM)
i got really busy during those fights

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:52:45 PM)
haven't had a chance to watch the tapes yet

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:52:55 PM)
it was a 10 rounder lol

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:52:55 PM)
so i really can't comment on any of them

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:53:02 PM)
yes, we never put the total up

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:53:19 PM)
and i could have done a 9.5, but just didn't get around to it

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:53:23 PM)
something i should have gotten up

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:53:29 PM)
Pacq took a ton of action

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:53:37 PM)
i hate handicaping totals when i don't know how many rounds it is

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:53:43 PM)
and won a very shady decision

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:53:45 PM)
yes, we lost that one

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:53:49 PM)
and won the arce won

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:54:08 PM)
twice as big on the latter fight

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:54:24 PM)
i tried to be high on it all nite

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:54:28 PM)
sometimes its hard to keep up

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:54:51 PM)
for those of you not watching HOU/STL

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:54:52 PM)
get it on

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:55:19 PM)
CHI/ANA just got interesting

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:57:05 PM)
looked like a bad call

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:57:13 PM)
agree, bad call

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:57:31 PM)
terrible call

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:57:42 PM)
if I am ozzie I send this pr 1st pitch

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:57:46 PM)
only a matter of time before we have instant replay in some form in MLB

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:58:10 PM)
a computer will be calling balls and strikes by 2020

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:58:40 PM)
only a fool didn't see he caught it

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:58:52 PM)
and it goes the other way

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:58:56 PM)
you have to assume he caught it

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 10:58:58 PM)
the ump rung him up too

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:59:05 PM)
the bad call is supposed to be the other way

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:59:08 PM)
when he doesn't

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:59:12 PM)
and they call that he did

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:59:15 PM)
not the other way around

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:59:27 PM)
hope it doesn' cost them

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 10:59:32 PM)
you simply don't make that mistake as a little league ump

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 10:59:53 PM)
man betting unders in the nhl is painful now

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 11:00:01 PM)
than Cano call might have cost the Yanks the series

EveryGamblersDream (Oct 12, 2005 11:00:28 PM)
holy crap

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 11:00:30 PM)
lol

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 11:00:31 PM)
wow

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 11:00:53 PM)
they'll devote half of sportscenter to this

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 11:02:25 PM)
unreal

Buck_Swope (Oct 12, 2005 11:02:37 PM)
I'd be pissed if I had ANA ML

5Dimes (Oct 12, 2005 11:03:36 PM)
i want to thank everyone for coming to the chat, i've got some boxing work to do, have a good nite